@OrkenWhite:
TCH, a Devuannal mi van?

@TCH:
Most még nincs így, most még ki lehet baszni a systemd-t (és vannak épeszű emberek, akik meg is teszik pl. Slackware, Devuan)

@OrkenWhite:
Azzal kevesebb a gányolás. Azt használom én is. Abba' init va'.

@OrkenWhite:
+ A Pulse , se a systemd NEM függőség sehol.

@TCH:
Ja, csak még alfa.

@TCH:
mert a systemd nélkül a Debian 8-ban beszarik a net.

@OrkenWhite:
De nem látszik, mivel a Debian csomagjaira épül, az összes Debi csomag benne van,csak a systemd, és a pulse NEM függőség. ÉS van nélküle net:)

@OrkenWhite:
Én Debian -> Devuan váltásnál szívtam meg ugyanezt.

Sima Devuan netinstallnál nem probléma.

@OrkenWhite:
Most nézem, a Gentoo sem fertőzött. Teszek vele egy próbát.

@steveL:
No, it's because everything he comes out with wants to take over our machines, with a mess of so-called "integration" requiring changes across the board.

@IgnorantGuru:
So much for systemd developers’ responsiveness, and its great engineering, witless fanboys. (Are we really sure many of these fanboys aren’t part of an Infiltrate, Manipulate, Deceive, and Destroy program?)

@IgnorantGuru:
I’ll put it together for you once again. For those who missed it in my other articles, Red Hat is a billion-dollar corporation with deep ties to the US military (their largest customer), and thus inevitably the NSA (a military security organization), etc. Adding to the conflict of interest, they have as direct corporate partners Google, Apple, and other too-large-to-imagine corporations with their hands in slime. Red Hat developers dictatorially control the core engineering of Linux, including components such as udev, udisks, xorg, dbus, systemd, etc., used by every major Linux distribution, as well as other common desktop components such as GNOME and GTK. (As Ts’o put it, “we have commit privs and you don’t”.) These are simple facts, though curiously never discussed. In many developers’ views, these Red Hat developers have consistently introduced closed, overly complex, security-breaking technologies to Linux for years, and have a long and tired history of sabotaging kernel development, creating unending bugs and problems for kernel developers, which they often categorically refuse to address. Linus knows them well – or does he?

@IgnorantGuru:
Wake up, morons – and that includes you Linus (who likes to call out morons as such himself). Start telling it like it is, and start addressing the real systemic problems in Linux’s engineering – namely that brown shirts like Kay Sievers and Lennart Poettering are just front men for a much uglier reality. Otherwise you’re just trying to sweep back the ocean with a broom – your actions are useless and doomed to fail. Getting angry won’t help – start getting smart, and start developing a genuinely free and open operating system, taking you-know-who out of the loop. If you can’t or won’t do that, then you may as well just surrender Linux to them entirely, which is pretty much the case already.