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4198 | #4e85 | ^ | Idézet | Tue, 26 Nov 2019 13:03:55 +01

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Yep, lot of work, but it'll worth it.

I've read this article from Awilfox (Catfox?), but it was rather confusing. For example:

@Awilfox:
The PowerPC ISA dates back to the 1990s, where AIX and Linux were exclusively big endian

Since when was Linux exclusively big-endian? It started off as i386-exclusive which is little-endian-only. If she means, that Linux was exclusively big-endian on PowerPC, that is true, but that has nothing to do with that era where the PowerISA emerged, as the first PowerPC supporting Linux ever - AFAIK - was YDL 1.1, which arrived at the very end of the decade, while the PowerISA was created and released at the very beginning of the '90-es. So the Linux claim is erroneous in either way.

Also, the claim about Debian

@Awilfox:
Debian still “actively supports” big endian 64-bit PowerPC; it is not a release architecture because it does not have enough dedicated maintainers.

is too, erroneous, because that is not the situation: several maintainers volunteered to maintain the big-endian branch, but they were rejected. Quote from a PPC enthusiast Amiga/UNIX developer and MorphOS team member (translation by me):

@Chain-Q:
It has been just announced on the debian-powerpc maillist, that the Debian officially dropped the support for big endian PowerPC-s in the next 9th version. All of them, PPC64 too, not just the 32bit one. The only one what remains is the PPCLE that is, the recently introduced and forcefully pushed⁰ little endian version by IBM...

The whole things seems as a political decision reeking from afar¹, because several PPC hackers with 15+ year experience volunteered to be maintainers, but all has been rejected with some empty hoax-talk and in the end, with the reason "no maintainer", the support has been dropped.

On the other hand, they lifted in² full support for some so important architectures, like the 64bit little endian MIPS... Of course this most probably means, that they gonna whitewash³ the PPC Ubuntu too.

Why this is a huge loss for the architecture's lovers, i would futilely explain to Linux suxxers, the rest understands it anyway. Well, that's it, we really can go to the ballet hopping⁴ and to push around⁵ the junky ARM and the even junkier x86.

The free software too became like, that free man, out of free will, on an open architecture, can run whatever he was left with and what is allowed. Rather, i dig myself into NetBSD... *sigh*

0.: Hungarian slang, means forced on us.
1.: Hungarian slang, means it's so obvious.
2.: Hungarian slang, can mean put in, included, introduced, etc.
3.: Hungarian slang, can mean ended, killed, stopped, etc.
4.: Hungarian proverb from the cartoon Macskafogó. While originally the users meant it literally, now it means we can go to wherever we want, interpreted in a derogatory meaning.
5.: Hungarian slang, means play around, came from the childhood activity, where you push the little car around yourself.

Continuing with the article, she mentions FreeBSD as a big-endian-only UNIX alternative, but as we recently discussed, FreeBSD is useless on PowerPC, so it's not an alternative.
On the other hand, i am really happy to read, that Devuan adds support for PowerPC and even more happier, that they want to support big-endian hardwares too...but i find no trace of this on the net, out of this blogpost.

Her installer indeed looks very promising, but i hope, it's not GTK3.