M4u5 (statz) | #10, Agyfasz (282) |
503 | #50d0 | ^ | Idézet | Fri, 09 Oct 2020 23:00:52 +02 |
46.107.*.* | *.dsl.pool.telekom.hu |
Harmadszorra forgattam le a Linux kernelt, de valamiért a fejlécek nem telepítődnek a csomagolótérbe. Először bizonyos fájlok létrehozásánál az a hiba jön be, hogy nem lehet őket létrehozni, mert már van újabb változat belőlük, utána meg a make meg amiatt nyavalyog, hogy kupleráj van a forráskönyvtáramban. Csakhogy a make mrproper eltűntet egy csomó fontos dolgot, ezért még így sem tudok továbblépni a csomagoláshoz. Hogyan lehetne kinyiffantani a hibaüzeneteket, hogy végre csomagolhassam a kernelt? |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
278 | #50d1 | ^ | Idézet | Sat, 10 Oct 2020 00:17:10 +02 |
188.143.*.* | *.pool.digikabel.hu |
Másold be kézzel a fejléceket a helyükre. A hibaüzeneteket hiába "nyiffantod ki", mert a hiba állítja meg a folyamatot, nem az üzenet, a hibát kell elhárítani. Becopyzod, hogy mik voltak a hibaüzenetek? Vagy ha túl sok, akkor logfile és upload pastebinre, vagy valahova. |
Carlos (statz) | #14, Jobbfasz (94) |
2920 | #50d2 | ^ | Idézet | Sat, 10 Oct 2020 22:55:55 +02 |
84.185.*.* | *.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
Hello TCH :-) I have another little update. 2009-03-31 PowerPup Linux beta (based on PuppyLinux) https://karkuta.firstcloudit.com/ 2012-02-12 Frugalware Linux 1.6 (based on Slackware, new entry "exists", no working DL link) https://distrowatch.com/?newsid=07106 https://web.archive.org/web/20120829102729/http://www10.frugalware.org:80/pub/linux/frugalware/frugalware-1.6-iso/ 2013-05-29 ttylinux 16.1 https://linux.fandom.com/wiki/Ttylinux https://web.archive.org/web/20150910154851/http://ttylinux.net/dloadMac.html (DL links at the bottom). New website: https://www.minimalinux.org/ttylinux/ Github: https://github.com/mt3/ttylinux 2014-05-16 QNX 6.5.0 SP1 (last version that supports PowerPC) https://community.qnx.com/sf/wiki/do/viewPage/projects.bsp/wiki/BSPAndDrivers#section-BSPAndDrivers-PowerArchitecture 2019-10-09 Ataraxia Linux Tech Preview 2 (PPC64, PPC64le) 2020-09-13 Source Code only (for PPC32, no image found) https://ataraxialinux.github.io/ https://github.com/ataraxialinux/ataraxia/releases/tag/tp2 2020-03-23 T2 SDE 20.3 (PPC32) 2020-04-25 PPC64 https://twitter.com/ReneRebeTM/status/1303358039613898755?s=20 http://dl.t2-project.org/binary/2020/ 2020-06-22 PowerEL 7 (date change, only?) https://mirror0.powerel.org/pel/7/power8/ 2020-07-17 IBM AIX 7.2 TL4 SP2 (date change, only?) https://www.ibm.com/support/pages/node/6245788 2020-08-13: Ubuntu 16.04.7 (via updates, no new image) https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2020-August/000261.html 2020-09-03 Wind River Linux 10.19.11 https://github.com/WindRiver-Labs/wrlinux-x/releases/tag/vWRLINUX_10_19_BASE_UPDATE0011 2020-09-26 Debian 10.6 https://www.debian.org/News/2020/20200926 Netinst, Xfce: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ppc64el/iso-cd/ DVD: https://cdimage.debian.org/debian-cd/current/ppc64el/iso-dvd/ 2020-09-30 CruxPPC 3.5 (2nd Alpha) https://github.com/cruxppc/cruxppc-ng-3.5/releases/tag/alpha-093020 2020-10-02 Adélie Linux 1.0-RC2 https://adelie.blog/2020/10/02/adelie-linux-1-0-rc2-released/ https://distfiles.adelielinux.org/adelie/1.0/iso/rc2/ 2020-10-04 MorphOS 3.14 https://www.morphos-team.net/news 2020-10-06 ArchLinux PPC32 big-endian! https://archlinuxpower.org/iso/alpha/ https://archlinuxpower.org/ 2020-10-07 The Yocto Project 3.1.3 https://www.yoctoproject.org/software-overview/downloads/ Fedora working DL links (Version 7 till 30): https://archive.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/ https://puppet.fedoraproject.org/repo/pub/archive/fedora-secondary/releases/ Fedora Core 4 till 6: https://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/core/ Nice to see that T2 SDE is still in development. Also Arch for PPC32 was a surprise. At the end of October there will be also Fedora, Ubuntu, FreeBSD, NetBSD and OpenBSD. And the OpenPOWER Foundation released a view videos. Also about POWER10. Quite impresive. https://youtu.be/27VRdI2BGWg |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
789 | #50d3 | ^ | Idézet | Sun, 11 Oct 2020 23:54:38 +02 |
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Hello Carlos, As always, your update is very appreciated, thank you. Sorry for processing it this slowly, but right now i'm struggling with the building of a MySQL query in a test task, to perhaps obtain a particular job. I processed the list up to T2 SDE and i've found that ttylinux actually had three kind of releases (16.1, 14.0 and 12.6) and 12.6 also has a downloadable image in the current website. Ataraxia does not have a PPC32 image because they had dropped the support for it, if you check the release notes at the TP2's entry, then it's in the announcement. It's really good to have a new T2 SDE release, especially because i've found, that they have also released 20.3 for Sparc64 too. Tomorrow i'll proceed with the updating, just stay tuned. :) |
Carlos (statz) | #14, Jobbfasz (94) |
1270 | #50d4 | ^ | Idézet | Mon, 12 Oct 2020 02:08:39 +02 |
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No need to hurry. The Ataraxia PPC32 drop I have indeed overlooked. Also the SPARC64 port of T2 SDE. But just now I discovered something else. Cross Linux From Scratch for PowerPC and SPARC64. At least build instructions: Click the links: http://www.clfs.org/view/ I wonder if Linux From Scratch is also available for PowerPC and SPARC64. I found this hint: "The primary target architectures of LFS are the AMD/Intel x86 (32-bit) and x86_64 (64-bit) CPUs. On the other hand, the instructions in this book are also known to work, with some modifications, with the PowerPC and ARM CPUs. http://www.linuxfromscratch.org/lfs/downloads/10.0/LFS-BOOK-10.0-NOCHUNKS.html#pre-architecture Then there is Lubuntu 12.4 and 16.04 Remix: https://randommacstuff.blogspot.com/p/powerpc-mac.html And a manual for Fienix for PPC32. Maybe you can link them at Fienix? https://randommacstuff.blogspot.com/p/fienix-on-32-bit.html Unfortunately there is no github or other page about Lubuntu. But Wicknix is very active. He has developed ArcticFox among others. https://github.com/wicknix And the download links to Frugalware Linux are unfortunately dead. Archive.org has only saved the directory. Ah, and the question mark of ALT Linux PPC64 you can delete. I have nothing found. |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
627 | #50d5 | ^ | Idézet | Thu, 15 Oct 2020 22:13:00 +02 |
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I've finished my test job today afternoon, so either tomorrow, or on the weekend, i'll update the rest. saxus már megint ostoba. Ugyan pontosan egy szállal feljebb már rég tisztázódott, hogy a fhuse által javasolt query azért nem megy nálam, mert 8-as MySQL kéne neki, nálam meg 5.5-ös - nek megfelelő MariaDB - van, de azért ő odavágja nekem a 8.0-ás MySQL idevágó manual page-ét, ld. még RTFM, holott itt pont nincs mit elolvasni, hiszen nem is mehet nálam. De hiába erőlködik, nem fogok neki válaszolni. |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
300 | #50d6 | ^ | Idézet | Fri, 16 Oct 2020 09:31:57 +02 |
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Aaaaand, yesterday night, long since in bed, right before i slept in, it suddenly had striked me, that i had left my local MySQL password in the posted project. Which was of course kecske. (Goat in our language.) So, again, i've been successfully introduced myself to another company... :S |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
1231 | #50d7 | ^ | Idézet | Fri, 16 Oct 2020 18:23:19 +02 |
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Okay, got updated everything. PowerEL is disappeared. The entire site. Weird. Arch got PPC32 support, now that is some good news, although unusual, as bigendian support is rather fading out in the Linux realm. Great finding on the Fedora Core images. (Unfortunately i did not find any new images for the newer Fedoras (7-30).) So, POWER10 is 7nm too. As AMD Ryzen and the new lines of ARM. Only intel is still clowning around with 14 nm. Too bad, we won't any desktop machines built upon it soon... :( Thanks for this presentation, i'll extract the images from the video some day soon. Wow, there is an LFS variant which works on POWER and Sparc64? I've added the build instructions for it. Well, i linked those instructions for Fienix 32, although some commenters were complaining about them not working. Also linked his "Remix" distros, Lubuntu and Macbuntu at Ubuntu 16.04 and 12.04. Thanks again for these updates. It seems, that you have become the primary info source for this list. :) BTW., it would be great to have some kind of server, where all of these images are saved together, to preserve them. I saved some of the most important ones to my computer, but that is only a shard of the whole. |
Carlos (statz) | #14, Jobbfasz (94) |
1646 | #50d8 | ^ | Idézet | Sat, 17 Oct 2020 00:11:06 +02 |
84.185.*.* | *.dip0.t-ipconnect.de |
Regarding servers: Maybe the Internet Archive would be a possibility? https://archive.org/details/cdromimages?and%5B%5D=ppc&sin= Otherwise I have to think of something. Ah and yesterday I also found the regular LFS version for POWER (non-IA). It is from the same guy who does CruxPPC. https://github.com/tarmiste/lfs-non-ia POWER10 is a beast. IBM will probably introduce first computers at the end of 2021. If this will be a candidate for Raptor is in the stars. Because POWER10 will probably use some kind of binary blobs. On Github they have discovered some hints. But the last word has not been spoken yet and it still takes until 2022. These should be the slides from the POWER10 presentation: https://regmedia.co.uk/2020/08/17/ibm_power10_summary.pdf The PowerEL website disappears from time to time. The same is currently the case with Rebug.me. Here you can find Fedora 15 to 30: https://puppet.fedoraproject.org/repo/pub/archive/fedora-secondary/releases/ And here Fedora 7 to 13: https://archives.fedoraproject.org/pub/archive/fedora/linux/releases/ I am surprised that F14 was not available for PPC? Here is another list of Ubuntu releases: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases And you can remove the download links of Frugalware Linux. Unfortunately they are all dead. Archive.org has only saved the directory. This can happen with the password. The good news is, you noticed it. Will they check your work and discuss it with you? If so, it might be a good idea to ask them if they have discovered the password. But the shot could backfire. Depends on the guys. But all in all, did the work go well? I keep my fingers crossed. |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
5892 | #50d9 | ^ | Idézet | Sat, 17 Oct 2020 13:07:04 +02 |
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Perhaps, but as we see, it's not fully reliable. Hey, great, thanks! I've added 8.4 and 9.1 of LFS-Non-IA to the list. I don't really understand this part. What kind of binary blobs? Is there some kind of software, burned into the CPU? Hey, thanks, much better. I don't really like videos, because they "demonstrate" stuff in tens of minutes, what could be written in a simple blogpost and could be read in a few minutes. Unfortunately, no new images found. What is now misses from the list is not present under these links either. Neither Fedora 13. When they switched to systemd, they've skipped two releases with POWER archs. I don't know why though. I think i still keep them for awhile, just to preserve the original paths in the URLs, because maybe we will find another mirror one day, if we look up those paths. I don't know if they ever write back or not. (Regardless of the password.) My younger brother asked exactly the same, and i answered him the same: since they have to set the password to make the stuff work with their own MySQL access, they have to notice it. Thank you. Aside from this, i say it went fairly well. Though i had problems with optimizing the query what produces the main view, because due to the braindead structure, it was slow as hell. (A few million entries only and took up 3-5 secs to retrieve the data.) To say, the database they have given to me was badly constructed is mildly put. (It's some kind of test database from the MySQL team.) Erroneously crafted PRIMARY KEYs, missing indexes, duplicated entries which made denormalization a nightmare and i could go on. I've done the most of the project in less than two days, but spent four days with optimizing the main view's query. More experienced SQL guys had a hard time with it, when i asked for some help. But in the end, i've decided, that if i don't know if i am allowed to change the erroneous part of the DB or to denormalize it, then i will provide these two operations as optional. So, now it works without the correction and the denormalization with a fairly decent speed (except if you try to order the view either by the salary which has 3 million multiplexed records in a separate table, or by department which needs to JOIN the department table through the also multiplexed half million record long department number table), but there is the option to correct the indexes and denormalize the database which will yield an 5-50x speedup. (Roughly, depending on the queries.) However, they might refuse it, because the instructions told me, that i have to display the view via the help of jQuery. Now, formally i complied, since i pull the data for the view from the server via jQuery's AJAX...but that is a meagre one line of jQuery code, the rest is done without any kind of stupid JS framework. :] But seriously, i've done the whole thing in less than 7 kB (even if i do not use my own ~300 byte AJAX library instead of jQuery), with documentation and without minifying my source, while jQuery is roughly 90 kB without documentation and with minifying...and then i would need a table plugin too, which can weigh up to MEGABYTES of JS code and yet, they can filter by or sort for one column at a time, while my few kB large view can filter by or order for all columns, simultaneously and prioritizedly... Please do not misunderstand: i am not bragging, i am complaining. Any decent webdeveloper could do most of these stupid frameworks' "features" with a few short functions, yet we are using hundred kB large "librares" to do it. This is how the web2 bloatware works and spreads. And if you dare to object (pun intended), then you are a laggard heretic, who tries to hinder this - so called - "progress" and you should be burned at the stake which is elevated from printed FORTRAN codes. :P Eh, sorry for the rant, but i am fed up with the ways software is developed nowdays... |
Carlos (statz) | #14, Jobbfasz (94) |
1042 | #50da | ^ | Idézet | Sat, 17 Oct 2020 14:37:04 +02 |
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The points of criticism you have mentioned here I would also tell the guys and show them the advantage of your approach. But I am glad that you managed to do it anyway. I'm curious to see what you get out of it in the end. You're right, it's a good idea to keep the dead download links in the list. Regarding Fedora I have to mention that the DL-links of Fedora in the list are dead. Therefore my new links. The same goes for RHEL. Here are the new working links: http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux//enterprise/4/en/ http://ftp.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/enterprise/3/en/ The binary blobs do not affect the CPU itself, but the chip that connects the CPU to the RAM. Concerning the videos you are right. The slides will come straight to the point. Here are some minor Ubuntu updates, AFAIK no new images 2020-08-06 Ubuntu 20.04.1 2020-08-13 Ubuntu 18.04.5 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases Oh and another historical entry: Apple Copland: https://winworldpc.com/product/mac-os-8/copland But that should have been it really. |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
3499 | #50db | ^ | Idézet | Sat, 17 Oct 2020 16:56:07 +02 |
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I'm afraid, they're web2-believers. The instructions also told me to create a PHP class which implements the required stuff. Don't get me wrong, i have nothing against OOP, if it's done properly. If you have a base class with properties and functions which works with those properties and you extend this base class several ways and then you make multiple instances of your classes, then OOP was the right way to do it. (For example GUI programming.) But when you have some standalone functions and you only put all of this into a class to make one single instance, then it's OOP for the sake of OOP which is not just unnecessary, but also a wrong approach, with much unneeded overhead and obscurity. And web2 frameworks - especially on the backend - tends to do this. Thanks, i'm curious too. We shall see... Oh... So you've linked them, because the current links are dead! Sorry, did not noticed, i just checked them and saw that there are no new images which i can add to the list. This is one strong reason to collect all the PowerPC and Sparc64 install media to one place; but that would need lots of GB of space. Okay, that's a lots of link, but i'll check the dead ones and replace them with new ones from your links, thanks. That sounds bad. Why would IBM use binary blobs in additional chips, when they made the entire CPU architecture open? Or will be the source for that blob available? While i've never heard of IBM involved in privacy or surveillance scandals, i don't like the sound of this. Maybe i am paranoid. I see, there are some new releases, that's why you linked the Ubuntu release list. I did not understood what did you mean about another list of releases... Please clarify next time, because i am human too and i can miss points. :) Thanks BTW, i've updated the corresponding entries. Great finding! Not just because the Copland entry, but because this site contains downloadable Mac OS 7-8-9 iso-s which we did not have until this point! Thanks, soon i will link them in. Update: Even Mac OS X ISO-s are here! Unfortunately only up to 10.3, but even that is great. Update 2: I've found AIX ISO-s on this site! This is a goldmine! Update 3: And Solaris 7 for Sparc64! You really have found a true goldmine my friend! Entschuldigung? :) |
Carlos (statz) | #14, Jobbfasz (94) |
1002 | #50dc | ^ | Idézet | Sun, 18 Oct 2020 03:44:10 +02 |
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:-) Should mean: That should have been all the news. Regarding the links to Fedora and RHEL. You just have to replace the beginning of the URL. The path should be the same. The work will then go pretty fast. Means you only have to change the original server address to: https://archive.fedoraproject.org/ the rest should stay the same And sorry for the misunderstanding of the links. From time to time I forget to mention important details. I dunno why IBM goes this way. But we should wait until the details are published. But I suppose it is due to the fact that in the future both DDR4 and DDR5 RAM can be used. I also read that more and more manufacturers are going over to using blobs in their memory controllers. Regarding POWER10 it is perhaps about this one: https://www.synopsys.com/dw/ipdir.php?ds=dwc_ddr54_controller Winworld is a good site. There I had found the BeOS images at that time. But I never looked for MacOS X, let alone AIX. But that reminds me, I wanted to look for YDL 7. |
Carlos (statz) | #14, Jobbfasz (94) |
167 | #50dd | ^ | Idézet | Sun, 18 Oct 2020 03:57:17 +02 |
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Hey, I just found Red Hat Linux 6.2 for SPARC. But is it SPARC or SPARC64? http://archive.download.redhat.com/pub/redhat/linux/6.2/en/ Release date was April 3, 2000. |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
3123 | #50de | ^ | Idézet | Sun, 18 Oct 2020 11:37:05 +02 |
188.143.*.* | *.pool.digikabel.hu |
Okay, replaced the Fedora links, they were really dead, with the exception of Fedora 31 and 32, those are still alive. (Which means, Fedora 29 and 30 are no longer supported, i've changed their support status to unsupported.) However, i've checked RHEL 3 and 4 and those entries' links were already the same you suggested. CentOS were okay too. Now it makes more sense; the memory controller is so sophisticated, that it needs it's own software. Okay. I guess, until there is no direct bypass to the ethernet from there, it would be pointless to put anything malicious into it. Hey, thanks for the suggestion, i've found BeOS 3 and 4 links which were missing from the list and the BeOS 5 Personal Edition! And also a more proper OS/2 3.0 package. BTW, the list is now over 300 entry long. And only 59.935% is Linux, so nobody can accuse us of this being a Linux list. :P (I've actually read some opinions like that. On the other hand an OpenBSD user told me, that it is full of shit and by shit he meant not BSD or Linux...okay. :/ ) Linux is quite scarce there, only a few old ones, like Mandrake or similar. Thanks. No, this is 32-bit only too, but most Linux is, so i've added it. Actually there are no "normal" Sparc64 Linux which you can install on "everyday" desktop Sparc64 machines, with the sole exception of GNU Step. (Tested on Sun Blade 100, works.) And the Debian 9 and 10 betas with Tier-2 support only. There are a couple other entries with theoretical Sparc64 desktop support, like Fedora 12 or PLD Linux 2.0, but no images available...(and these are even more older than the now decade old GNU Step 2.0.) If you want a recent desktop Linux for Sparc64 then you have to build it for yourself with CLFS or T2 SDE. And support is nonexistent, the old ones are no longer supported, Debians are Tier-2 on Sparc64 and the builder distros always means you are on your own. Sparc64 is definetely System V and BSD territory. |
TCH (statz) | #1, Főfasz (10443) |
206 | #50df | ^ | Idézet | Sun, 18 Oct 2020 16:31:13 +02 |
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I've accidentally bumped into this site, while was looking for Solaris 11.2 Sparc64: https://fsck.technology/software/ Tons of old OS-es; found AIX 5.3 for example, the Winworld only had 5.1. |